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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:33:00 -
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Of the email by CEO Hilmar, the sentence "After 40 hours we have already sold 52 monocles, generating more revenue than any of the other items in the store." was either inserted by EVENews24 or by whoever sent them the email. Obviously someone with a very large axe to grind.
EVENews24: Shoddy Reporting and Earning Pageviews on Your Outrage since 2008.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:42:00 -
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Originally by: Havegun Willtravel HOWEVER -- they were 100% right about the 'Greed is Good' leak weren't they ?
Except that they edited out 6 of the pages, plus the most important one that detailed the Internal Disclaimer that the document was a discussion only and not CCP Policy.
Interesting omission on EVENews24's part. I wonder why they removed that page? Oh right, it creates more rage and generates more pageviews for them.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:45:00 -
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Basically, anything EVENews24 posts is not to be trusted, and their own motives are to be suspected. They generate pageviews which earns them income, so it is in their interests to generate as much rage as possible among the EVE population to generate as much traffic for them as possible.
Their "leak" of the Fearless document was edited and removed the most important part of the document, the disclaimer.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Brooks Puuntai To be fair I was more concerned about Hilmar telling people to ignore the player base, over the sales on monocles.
To be fair, he never said "ignore the playerbase."
He said it was more important to pay attention to what they do (i.e. unsub, etc.) rather than what they say (i.e. I'm going to unsub.)
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 25/06/2011 21:55:29
Originally by: Goose99 Even if they kept in the standard disclaimer, no one will read it, because... it's a disclaimer.
So no, we're not missing anything important.
No, you don't think where the disclaimer points out that the views expressed in the document are not CCP Policy is important? I'd suggest it is the MOST important part of the document.
Any responsible company has these sorts of discussions. They rarely involve policy. It's to get ideas out there, investigate avenues. See what is or is not possible.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.25 21:58:00 -
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Originally by: Goose99 Those "views" expressed in the document are views held by ppl who make CCP policies. So yes, that standard disclaimer says as much as any standard disclaimer.
One employee view was to sell extra fittings. Not play-to-win. And another was to sell faction, which could be play-to-win, depending on implementation. Hardly enough PEOPLE to determine company policy. There has been nothing at all released that suggests CCP will move to selling play-to-win items. Nothing at all. Except what EVENews24 feeds into the fire with edited emails, and documents with pages missing.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:01:00 -
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Originally by: DaiTengu Myself, and many others (Some who do PR for a living) believe that these aren't "leaks" but were deliberately sent out by CCP.
What? Sort of a New Coke marketing strategy?
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: DaiTengu CCP's initial "do nothing" reaction to it backs this CONSPIRACY up, in my opinion.
Fixed.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:08:00 -
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Originally by: Grog Barrel Yet it's been pretty clear, that the "opinions" ARE the actual policies we are going to see. Confirmed by Hilmar himself.
What is clear and what you think Hilmar confirmed are in your mind only. You can take nothing from any document that proves anything, only your fears.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:14:00 -
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Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 25/06/2011 22:14:20
Originally by: Asuri Kinnes You have a linky for the "missing 6 pages"?
http://www.mediafire.com/?ccl135embyb6c2v
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:23:00 -
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Originally by: Grog Barrel
Originally by: Poetic Stanziel
Originally by: Grog Barrel Yet it's been pretty clear, that the "opinions" ARE the actual policies we are going to see. Confirmed by Hilmar himself.
What is clear and what you think Hilmar confirmed are in your mind only. You can take nothing from any document that proves anything, only your fears.
if true else (false) denial.
there is no denial. What now? do you also have to read books of Anatomy too, before eating, breathing, seeing, feeling, thinking?
You assume that the people at CCP are so stupid that they would willingly destroy the sandbox. They are not dumb people.
That they have yet to deny (which you wouldn't believe anyhow, because of your nerdrage), is not confirmation of anything.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.25 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Goose99 Most of us are at stage 2. The most advanced of us who unsubbed have already moved on to stage 5. You're stuck at stage 1, please get with the program and move on to at least stage 2.
I need proof to fuel my rage, not what-ifs and pure supposition.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.25 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Poetic Stanziel
He said it was more important to pay attention to what they do (i.e. unsub, etc.) rather than what they say (i.e. I'm going to unsub.) He is very much paying attention to the players, what they do, rather than what they say. Actions speak louder than words.
Words are the civilized way to deal with any dispute.
It was the guiding principal on which the CSM was based.
And if he cannot find it within himself, to stand up and tell the truth.
Then he do sent deserve to wear the uniform.
SKUNK
Give them a chance to do so. There is little point communicating with a bunch of raging 5 year olds. Wait until they tire themselves out and have a more reasonable disposition.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.26 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Mena Arzi The one linked on evenews24 is passworded and 2.19mb in size. The one on mediafire does not have a password and is 4.24mb.
EN24 creates a whole hush-hush subterfuge about it all, adding fuel to the fire they wanted to create, passwording files, and stripping out content.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:03:00 -
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Originally by: Nobel Slim
Quote: Originally by: 5 dorrahttp://twitter.com/#!/CCP_Manifest evenews24 Eve News24 Online @ @CCP_Manifest u seem to be the go-to guy for responses so I ask, is that mail sent by H to CCP global true? the 1 with the 52 sold monocles? CCP_Manifest @CCP_Manifest CCP_Manifest Believe it or not, it's true. #eveonline #tweetfleet I wonder if we could get timestamps, down to the second, of when those two tweets were posted. It'd certainly help us figure this out, since Manifest's tweet was not specifically stated to be in reply to the one on @evenews24.
I was reading Twitter live. CCP Manifest was referring to CCP Pann having a medical emergency in her family and was not referring to the e-mail.
Correct. CCP Manifest was commenting on his CCP Pann comment. If he'd been replying to EN24, he would have replied directly to them, which he did not.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: Katra Novac At this rate you won't need to worry about that they'll probably not be that many left.
Anyway CCP had plenty of time to respond they chose to stir the discontent up then stay silent. They only have themselves to blame regardless what else transpired after that.
Very few people have quit. Just because someone posts a screenshot of the Account Page or screams "I am quitting", do you honestly think many of them actually are?
WoW goes through similar nerdrage fests all the time. Their subscriber numbers are still stable. EVE Online nerdrage is no different.
Until CCP actually implements something concrete that the players will not stand for, few people are actually going to quit.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: Nikki West
Originally by: Poetic Stanziel
You assume that the people at CCP are so stupid that they would willingly destroy the sandbox. They are not dumb people.
Maybe not dumb, but greed has blinded them.
What greed? $5000 worth of monocles? They can pay their entire payroll for approximately 8 minutes. Woo.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: Indy Rider Have you ever heard the saying, "For every person that complains, many more can't be bothered."?
Most people who are level-headed are playing wait and see. No point quitting a game I love until there is HARD evidence that CCP intends to destroy it. So far, there has been no evidence of any such thing. There might be a few incoherent signs, but that doesn't add up to much until I see the Aurum roadmap actually implemented.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Indy Rider I've unsubbed three accounts, but I am waiting to see what happens.
My optimism is vanishing quickly though, it shouldn't take this long to say "no gold ammo", till they do I wont resub...
Edit, and their attitude towards genuine concerns is just pathetic.
I've never had a subbed account. Means nothing. I play with PLEX, baby.
And there's little point in CCP trying to open discourse with a rabble of screaming 5 year olds. They'll wait until the crazed fervour has died down and there are level heads willing to listen. At this point, no matter what CCP said, there'd be 500 lunatics screaming "LIAR" and drowning out the message.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.26 02:48:00 -
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Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 26/06/2011 02:47:53
Originally by: Terrante CCP Navigator confirmed e-mail by deleting the original thread which was: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1537592
also see:
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1537718
and locked thread with CCP Navigator :
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1537676
He confirmed nothing. Most of the email is probably factual. Some of it was doctored.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:01:00 -
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Edited by: Poetic Stanziel on 26/06/2011 04:06:46
Originally by: 5nake pliskan I basically said why is CCP discussing microtransactions when they promised that microtransactions would never come to eve.
They never made any such promise. Eighteen months ago, when asked, some CCP employee stated that they had no current plans to implement microtransactions. That was no doubt true at the time. Times change, and now they are implementing microtransactions.
The current microtransaction model is for vanity items only. There is no proof it will move beyond that. Some hints, perhaps, but most people are jumping to gigantic conclusions. They may sell ship fitting save slots. Big deal. They may sell some faction ammo in a manner similar to the loyalty point stores (e.g., trade regular ammo, plus Aurum for slightly better ammo), again, big deal. None of it is game breaking or game affecting.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.26 04:05:00 -
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If a microtransaction keeps the EVE economy running as it should, does not bypass the players role in the market, then the microtransaction is perfectly acceptable for CCP to implement.
For instance, all Aurum transactions that mirror the functionality of the Loyalty Point stores is fair game, and NO ONE should have a problem with that sort of Aurum transaction.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Bloodpetal
Originally by: Poetic Stanziel Very few people have quit. Just because someone posts a screenshot of the Account Page or screams "I am quitting", do you honestly think many of them actually are?
You can't claim to know how many people have or have not unsubscribed. This is pure conjecture on your part.
I'd like to think it is experience, having played lots of other MMOs and having seen lots of nerdrage "I'm quitting" episodes.
A substantial proportion of the playerbase plays this game unsubbed. I do. Never been subbed. I play with PLEX. Unsubbing means nothing. Nothing at all.
In my experience, nothing has happened in the last few days to warrant anything but players talking the talk, but not willing to walk the walk.
CCP will have to demonstrate some actual design incompetency before masses of people will take that extra step. So far, players are taking a wait and see attitude, while doing a whole lot of screaming and shouting.
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Poetic Stanziel
Gallente EVE University Ivy League
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Posted - 2011.06.26 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Bloodpetal
Originally by: Poetic Stanziel
A substantial proportion of the playerbase plays this game unsubbed. I do. Never been subbed. I play with PLEX. Unsubbing means nothing. Nothing at all.
Notice a price increase in PLEX lately?
Speculators dumping their PLEX after the high Aurum prices appeared, realizing PLEX was not going to rise further. Three days of price dropping does not connote thousands of people having left the game. Understand the market, please.
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